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Court Upholds Pennsylvania's Voter ID Law

Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court Judge Robert Simpson said he will not stop the state's Voter ID law.

Commonwealth Court Judge Judge Robert Simpson said Wednesday morning that he will not grant an injunction that would have stopped Pennsylvania's  from going into effect.

The challenge to the law was brought by voter advocacy groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union and the NAACP.

ACLU attorney Witold J. Walczak told The Washington Post that the case isn't over. “It’s why they make appeals courts.”

Is this good or bad for Pennsylvania? Leave a comment.

Opponents are expected to file an appeal within a day or two to the state Supreme Court as the Nov. 6 presidential election looms, according to the Associated Press.

Pennsylvania passed a law in March requiring all registered voters to show a valid and “acceptable” photo ID before voting. This is one of the strictest voter ID laws in the nation. 

Opponents of the law say it disproportionately targets the elderly as well as the poor and minorities, who typically vote Democrat. Furthermore, critics say that the burden of obtaining an acceptable ID for these people would keep them from voting.

According to proponents of the law, including State Senator Daryl Metcalfe (R-12th District) who introduced the Pennsylvania bill, the law is meant to prevent voter fraud.

Thirty states have some sort of Voter ID law, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures, of those, 19 do not require a photo, six require a photo and five, including Pennsylvania, have strict .

Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Justice is looking at whether Pennsylvania's tough new voter law requiring photo identification complies with Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act and on Monday asked the state's top election official --  a chief supporter of the law -- for a long list of information about it.

Read Judge Judge Robert Simpson's 70-page decision (attached).

Liberty 1 August 16, 2012 at 09:06 AM
@Robert Fiorentino Heres a trick question for you - what is with you and race?
Liberty 1 August 16, 2012 at 09:07 AM
See what you started!!!!!
Liberty 1 August 16, 2012 at 09:25 AM
@Robert F: "So I ask you, answer honestly here, are Republicans doing this because it's the right thing to do, or because they want an advantage in the election? I'm not asking how hard it is to get an ID, or what's right..." What exactly are you asking? Is it right but don't tell me it is right? Is this another trick question??? ;)
Peter Kendall August 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM
And of course we all know that "CREDO" is just another non-partisan think tank, like Brookings, Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, etc.
Susan Gibbons August 16, 2012 at 12:53 PM
To Peter... Credo has clearly identified as a Super Pac dedicated to taking down the top ten tea party congressman. An antidote to "Americans for Prosperity".
Don George August 16, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Proving once again that problems and issues CAN be solved, unlike the 90yo complainer in Doylestown and her Democrat operative son-in-law who refused the assistance of 2 Rabbis, a Hewbrew Professor, and many others to SOLVE her problem... and she got her ID in spite of the rhetoric. Those who can, do. Those who can't, wallow in self pity. Those who prey on the pitied, are Democrat Demagogues.
Don George August 16, 2012 at 01:00 PM
Hmmm, in Chicago? The same Chicago from where BHO [currently] hails? NO WAY! Get out of town! This can't possibly be the reality that the Pee-Partying Democrats want us to believe! lol
Don George August 16, 2012 at 01:02 PM
Hey, stop using the word "right" when you mean "correct". The mindless Rats of Hamelin following their beloved Piper will think it's a new conspiracy, "by, of and for the right." hehehe
Don George August 16, 2012 at 01:07 PM
Tsk tsk tsk...
Don George August 16, 2012 at 01:09 PM
WE AGREE on something, Susan! It will be interesting to see which PAC is better funded, and which PAC passes the FactCHeck scrutiny.
Susan Gibbons August 16, 2012 at 01:37 PM
To georgie porgie.. By far the AFP is better funded...it has Koch Bros behind it. Fact checking is what I do...and the reason I am blocked by those who don't like the truth.
Peter Kendall August 16, 2012 at 02:05 PM
Penna. is bending over backwards to accommodate the "undocumented" voter (from today's WSJ): "Since the law passed in March, Pennsylvania has also made it easier to get a state ID for voting purposes and begun providing them free of charge. Under state law, driver's licenses, passports, military ID, federal government employee ID and college ID all qualify at the voting booth. The state will also provide a free ID to anyone who signs an affirmation that he needs it to vote, requiring only a Social Security number and two proofs of residence. But there's more. Voters who show up at their polling place without an ID will be allowed to cast a provisional ballot and present proof of identity within six days. Indigent voters may also cast a provisional ballot and sign a statement saying they couldn't obtain the necessary documents. Does all of this plausibly add up to voter suppression?" Can't imagine anyone feeling "suppressed" given the above. Depressed, maybe, as Dems seem worried about large numbers of their voters appparently unwilling to make the slightest effort to get an ID.
Robert Fiorentino August 16, 2012 at 02:15 PM
@Liberty 1 I'm very clear what I'm asking, you won't answer though because it exposes your party's sliminess. Here are the options, Are Republicans Pushing Voter ID Laws Because: A) It's the good thing to do B) It gives them a political advantage in the upcoming election I'm guessing since you know how to use a computer, you're reasonably smart. I don't think you're dumb enough to think that Republicans are doing this solely because it's the right thing to do. My guess is you look at it like "Yeah the Reps are doing this to help win the election, but I can rationalize it because I really believe people should have to show ID. It's win-win." Fine. But just be honest about it. The fraud thing is secondary (at best) to trying to win the election. The truth will set you free. Admit that you know these are political tactics, and then justify by saying the Dems have done worse in the past, or that you don't care how vile the tactics gets as long as Obama's ousted from office. I'll disagree with you, but at least I'll respect your honesty.
Robert Fiorentino August 16, 2012 at 02:45 PM
So, you still haven't answered the question. You should really look into a career in politics, you're good at just saying your talking points rather than answer anything directly. I didn't ask you if the GOP will have a slim or big advantage, I asked you if they're pushing these laws because it's the right thing to do, or because it gives them an advantage. You refuse to answer and instead go about demagoguing. In regards to Dems throwing around hugely inflated numbers: Democrats didn't come out with the numbers of people who will not be able to vote - the DMV did. It's something like 900,000 in PA. Even if 75% of those people go and get voter IDs, that's still hundreds of thousands of people who normally could vote but now won't be able to. That 25% is enough to give Republicans the advantage to win.
Steve Sutton August 16, 2012 at 03:14 PM
Bought some shorts at Kohl's over the weekend, needed Photo ID to use my charge card. Entered a poker tournament at Parx, needed a photo ID. Stopped at SS office in Fairless Hills, had to show photo ID. Didn't need ID to put money into a new Bank account, but did to take out some money. No need to restrict bazooka ownership, no documented cases of death by bazooka, so why bother.
Liberty 1 August 16, 2012 at 04:46 PM
Bob, This bill was first introduced 10 (TEN) years ago. The motives behind the author of this bill was to make sure that ALL LEGAL votes counted and were not offset by the slime ball political bosses in Philly and Pitssburgh. How much clearer can I say that NO I DO NOT THINK THIS BILL WAS PASSED IN ORDER TO BEAT OBAMA. Re-read that last line v e r y s l o w l y. If it is a conspiracy to beat Obama as you believe then it was started back when Obama was still a lowly state senator in IL. Their foresight is amazing if that is the case. I ask you - do you believe the dems are fighting this bill because it will hinder their chances without the voter fraud they use when needed? And by the way, I am not a Republican.
Robert Fiorentino August 17, 2012 at 01:14 AM
Lib, A quick google search shows that the bill was signed by the governor in mid March, 2012 and he was presented the bill shortly before then. This jives with logic, since last I checked it didn't take 10 years for a bill to pass. They did it now because they have the manpower in the PA legislature, a Republican governor, and an election looming in the next few months. It's not even a conspiracy, it's a fact: House Majority Leader in the GOP controlled Pennsylvania legislature, Mike Turzai [R], verbalizes a list of that legislatures accomplishments: “Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it's done. First pro-life legislation -- abortion facility regulations -- in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.” And all the Republicans in the room cheer after that one, because it's not a secret, it's just a simple fact. Voter ID laws help Republicans, that's the whole point. I'm not going to go back and forth anymore, I can't tell if you're serious about not seeing the political reasons behind this or if you're just trying to do some grassroots PR for the Romney campaign but in either case this issue is done, people reading this stuff are probably smart enough to sort out the truth. Some will find it appalling, some will think that the tactics are ok because "anything goes as long as Obama gets ousted!"
Don George August 17, 2012 at 01:27 AM
The FRAUD is faciliated by the court decisions several years ago which make it virtually impossible for the rolls to be purged. SO, my daughter who has not lived here since 2008, can still walk into this polling place and pull a lever. PhotoID MIGHT help curtail that IF a few stars line up: 1) my daughter uses her DL as PhotoID which has her current address on it; 2) the poll worker a)can read, 2) chooses to read, c) decides to abide by the law. I doubt that would happen in some places, like, er, heavens forbid, Filthadelphia. So, let's implement the purple indelible ink and dipping of the thumb too! That should help. lol
Don George August 17, 2012 at 01:27 AM
George Soros won't block you.
Liberty 1 August 17, 2012 at 03:50 PM
Bobby F, Again, the bill was first introduced 10 years ago. It was an idea that the author had 10 years ago. He was unable to get enough support for it during that time period. He introduced it again last year. It passed. It was signed by the gov. in March. The point was that 10 years ago when he first introduced it Obama was not a consideration. It was a good idea 10 years ago and it is a good idea now. Do you agree that the dems do not want this law because it puts a crimp in their voter base of fraudulent voters?
Robert Fiorentino August 17, 2012 at 04:10 PM
Maybe 10 years ago the bill had good intentions. The current passage and push does not have good intentions, only political intentions. I do not agree that Dems are against the law because they have this huge deposit of fraudulent voters. I do think it very simply disproportionately affects their voting base. Poorer people who live in cities are less likely to need a car, or have the means to afford a car. Women who get married and have their names changed will not have their IDs count if their names on the license are different then when they registered. Student IDs only count if they have an expiration date. Poor, women, students. A very big portion of the Democratic electorate. This is not a coincidence.
Susan Gibbons August 17, 2012 at 04:40 PM
Well now, a new attempt to stifle. The online registration and ballot system no longer available. This hurts our active duty citizens..there was a means to vote online by absentee ballot. "not no more". http://prospect.org/article/creating-hurdles-pennsylvania-drops-efforts-boost-voting
L.J.T. August 17, 2012 at 11:56 PM
Hello, Sounds like PA has a huge amount of voters who are either elderly, sickly, undocumented, or in poverty and therefore cannot/do not have ID. In other words, enough voters to actually swing an election? Does anyone have real data on the actual numbers of affected voters or would be voters?
Robert Fiorentino August 18, 2012 at 12:32 AM
Sure, here are some hard figures with a few splashes of comedy: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-16-2012/daily-show--democalypse-2012---cockblock-the-vote
Susan Gibbons August 18, 2012 at 01:45 AM
Just learned the city of Philadelphia can register voters, but cannot issue voter ID because the voter ID law specifically prohibits it. Arbitrary. That eliminates the proposal to have mobile vans in the city to help people get ID. Of course.
NS August 18, 2012 at 01:47 AM
If this was a work place vote instead of a political one, wouldn't you want to ensure that everyone who voted was an employee? Or would you want people to game the system and force you to adopt work policy and compensation based on their agenda?
Steve Sears August 18, 2012 at 02:12 AM
Hi Bill. I gather you do NOT know about the Republican Corporate Agenda known as ALEC. The Voter ID is one of the many concepts among the many developed by the Corporate run organization named ALEC. If you note this Voter ID law has been initiated in those states where the Republics have won the Governorship and the state Legislature - like here in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc. The Corporate run ALEC has been working to create numerous agendas favorable to themselves for over eight years. If you want to learn more go to ALECEXPOSED.ORG. There's a list of State & Federal Legislatures who belong to ALEC. Senator Greenleaf was one of them until we persuaded him to quit. If you go to http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Legislators_Who_Have_Cut_Ties_to_ALEC you see Greenleaf's name and many others who have recently quit ALEC. We've also persuaded over 30 large companies to drop their membership - Amazon, Pepsi, etc. Go to http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Corporations_Who_Have_Cut_Ties_to_ALEC and you'll find out more. This PA VOTER ID is NOT a local initiative - it was conceived by ALEC and has been driven by Corbett and our Republican legislatures for the obvious reason to influence the 2012 election in favor of Romney. This is the Karl Rove "Win At Any Cost" philosophy.
Steve Sears August 18, 2012 at 02:15 AM
Hi Bill. I gather you do NOT know about the Republican Corporate Agenda known as ALEC. The Voter ID is one of the many concepts among the many developed by the Corporate run organization named ALEC. If you note this Voter ID law has been initiated in those states where the Republics have won the Governorship and the state Legislature - like here in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc. The Corporate run ALEC has been working to create numerous agendas favorable to themselves for over eight years. If you want to learn more go to ALECEXPOSED.ORG. There's a list of State & Federal Legislatures who belong to ALEC. Senator Greenleaf was one of them until we persuaded him to quit. If you go to http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Legislators_Who_Have_Cut_Ties_to_ALEC you see Greenleaf's name and many others who have recently quit ALEC. We've also persuaded over 30 large companies to drop their membership - Amazon, Pepsi, etc. Go to http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Corporations_Who_Have_Cut_Ties_to_ALEC and you'll find out more. This PA VOTER ID is NOT a local initiative - it was conceived by ALEC and has been driven by Corbett and our Republican legislatures for the obvious reason to influence the 2012 election in favor of Romney. This is the Karl Rove "Win At Any Cost" philosophy.
Steve Sears August 20, 2012 at 09:50 PM
Hi Don, Since your daughters DL is from 2008 it no doubt has an expiration date on it that is unacceptable. Any and All Voter's ID has to have an current expiration date that hasn't expired!! Her DL may have a PA current address, but the expiration date is they way they will deny her the right to vote here in PA.
Amy August 21, 2012 at 02:46 AM
when the PA voter ID law is a target of the comedians and satirists, I have to agree it is rigged http://www.hulu.com/watch/392150

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